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Elizabeth Cheyne Say
Birth: 1424
Fen Ditton
Cambridgeshire, England
Death: Sep. 15, 1473
Broxbourne
Hertfordshire, England
She was the great-grandmother of Anne Boleyn, Jane Seymour and Catherine Howard, three of the wives of King Henry 8th of England.
Family links:
Spouses:
Frederick Tylney (1420 - 1447)
John Say (1415 - 1478)
Children:
Elizabeth Tilney Howard (1446 - 1497)*
William Say (1452 - 1529)*
*Calculated relationship
Burial:
Saint Augustine's Church
Broxbourne
Hertfordshire, England
Created by: Bradley Moody
Record added: Jul 25, 2011
Find A Grave Memorial# 73922210
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John Say
Birth: 1415
Podington
Bedfordshire, England
Death: Apr. 12, 1478
Broxbourne
Hertfordshire, England
Sir John Say, Kt. (died 12 April 1478) was an English courtier, MP and Speaker of the House of Commons.
He was the son of John Say, born before 1445, and his wife Maud. His brother, William Say, became Dean of St Pauls. Sir John owned land at Baas, Broxbourne, Little Berkhamsted and Sawbridgeworth, Hertfordshire, and Lawford, Essex
Sir John Say trained as a lawyer and became a King's Sergeant, Coroner of the Marshalsea, Yeoman of the Chamber and Crown, Keeper of Westminster Palace, Squire of the Body and Privy Councilor.
In 1447 he entered Parliament as MP for Cambridge and was then in 1449 elected Knight of the Shire for Cambridgeshire, when he was also elected Speaker of the House of Commons. In June 1449 he was made Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster and in 1449 was appointed sheriff of Norfolk and Suffolk. By 1450, he was out of favor and in 1451 the Commons demanded his banishment from the court. However, he was pardoned in 1452.
From 1453 to 1478 he represented Hertfordshire in several Parliaments and was chosen to serve as speaker from 1463 to 1465 and again 1467 to 1468. In 1455 (until 1478 in three terms under Henry Bourchier, 1st Viscount Bourchier, 1st Earl of Essex) he held the post of under-Treasurer of the Exchequer and from 1476 that of Keeper of the Great Wardrobe.
He was made Knight of the Bath in 1465.
He died on 12 April 1478.
He married before 1449, Elizabeth, daughter of Sir Laurence or Lawrence Cheney (or Cheyne) (c. 1396 - 1461), High Sheriff of Cambridgeshire, and Elizabeth Cokayn or Cokayne, and the widow of Sir Frederick Tilney of Ashwellthorpe. She died on 2 September 1473, aged 51, predeceasing her husband by five years. Say remarried Agnes, daughter of John Danvers of Cokethorpe and widow of Sir John Fray and of John, Lord Wenlock.
Sir John and Lady Elizabeth Say are buried together at Broxbourne, Hertfordshire. They were survived by seven of their eight children (three sons and four daughters). Sir John Say was an ancestor of Jane Seymour, third wife of King Henry VIII. He was succeeded by his son William, who also became an MP and Sheriff for Hertfordshire.
Family links:
Spouse:
Elizabeth Cheyne Say (1424 - 1473)*
Children:
William Say (1452 - 1529)*
*Calculated relationship
Burial:
Saint Augustine's Church
Broxbourne
Hertfordshire, England
Created by: Jerry Ferren
Record added: Nov 21, 2010
Find A Grave Memorial# 61956387
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Sir William Say
Birth: 1452
Broxbourne
Hertfordshire, England
Death: Dec. 4, 1529
Broxbourne
Hertfordshire, England
Knight of Baas in Broxbourne and Sawbridgeworth, Bedwell in Essendon, Bennington, Little Berkhampstead, Hertfordshire, of Lawford, Essex. Burgess for Plympton, Knight of the Shire for Hertfordshire, Sheriff of Somerset and Dorset, Sheriff of Essex and Hertfordshire. In right of his first wife, of East Lydford, Radstock, Spaxton, Wellesleigh, and Wheathill, Somerset. In right of his second wife, of Wormingford Hall in Wormingford, Essex, Great Munden, Hertfordshire.
Son and heir to Sir John Say of Broxbourne, Under Treasure of England and Elizabeth Cheyne, daughter of Lawrence, High Sheriff of Cambridgeshire and great great grandmother of Anne Boleyn.
Husband of Genevieve Hill, daughter and heiress of John Hill, of Spaxton, Somerset. They were married before 18 Nov. 1472, the date of letters of attorney.
Secondly, husband of Elizabeth Fray, daughter of Sir John Fray and Agnes Danvers, widow of Sir Thomas Waldegrave who died in 1472. They were married shortly after 18 April 1480 and had two daughters:
* Elizabeth, wife of Sir William Blount, 4th Lord Mountjoy
* Mary, wife of Sir Henry Bouchier, Earl of Essex
Family links:
Parents:
John Say (1415 - 1478)
Elizabeth Cheyne Say (1424 - 1473)
Spouses:
Genevieve Hill Say
Elizabeth Fray Say (1441 - ____)
Burial:
Saint Augustine's Church
Broxbourne
Hertfordshire, England
Created by: Anne Shurtleff Stevens
Record added: Mar 14, 2013
Find A Grave Memorial# 106685693
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